For what I have read in the forum people actually say Makina is good and Hardcore is bad?
First of all, no one can claim himself a Gabber if he listens to makina. Altough people think Gabber is 95' Thunderdome,they are wrong. Gabber is someone who listens to Hardcore as a way of life... and in musical terms, people talk about gabber as real Hardcore: fast, agressive dark, repetitive and hard. In Germany people see Gabber almost as the same as Speedcore.
Second: I dunno about people who use the old ID&T symbol. the origin of it is explained in my site and I asked Irfan from ID&T! Nowadays it is a clear Hardcore symbol, not makina.
Third: makina is only a form of Spanish Happy Hardcore with a mixture of Hard techno or hardstyle. It is soft, and most people outside Spain usually don't know it. Those who know it, if they listen to Underground Hardcore, Speedcore, Terror or Noisecore or even Industrial stuff... HATE IT! (this is quite true, altough here in Portugal I know some Hardcore fans who love makina, specially P. Aeri stuff...
Fourth: Makina can be considered a form of Hardcore, just like Happycore. It's a very soft and commercial form, but its origins are from Hardcore and Happy. So people who say they hate Hardcore and love Makina are in a clear contraditction (altough makina for many gabbers, specially in germany and holland, is NOT Hardcore at all).
Fifth: I don't hate makina, altough I honestly prefer other stuff. I think Makina could be the starting point for a Hardcore scene. I could see many makina divulgation in Spain when I was there in Holidays. Also some divulgation for mainstream/commercial Hardcore like Paul Elstak, Ruffian, Offensive stuff, Megarave, Traxtorm, etc. Yet, I found funny people did not know what the hell speedcore was in Barcelona and Madrid... and people in shops actually pointed me Makina compilations as the hardest form of electronic they had for sale (you can even find harder stuff in IDM and Drum n Bass). I like to see main Hardcore artists visting Spain, that is a GREAT start! In fact, Spain had some Thunderdome raves in Lloret del Mar for those wh odid not know.... And there are Special Spanish Editions of Thunderdome... not rare, but still nice.
Sixth: This topic is supposed to be a friendy discussion... I just want to know why some people here hate Hardcore, and what they think Hardcore is all about. And also, what do you people consider about Makina....
Seventh: anyone saying Hardcore is Nazi... will get SHOT between the eyes... see mokum's logos and you'll see what they are all about. And another question... Makina and Bakalao... what is Bakalao?
Cumprimentos a todos...
E viva Makina e Hardcore em Espanha e Portugal!
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